And so it ends.. ..part 7 coming soon

The Joe Cienkowski game is at an end. No, REALLY this time.

When I announced an end to the Joe baiting last time, it was for the purpose of playing a trick on him that wouldn’t have worked, if anyone suspected a pair of fake Twitter users—@LarryLovesJesus, set up by myself and @Magdalene82 set up by @jeanybeany80—were anything other than the real deal. A few people knew, but played along. Most people were completely unaware but eventually worked it out for themselves in any case.

It seems, since the reveal, that there is also a third group of people, who are offended that they either fell for the trick too, or that even Joe didn’t really deserve what happened at the culmination of months of debate between Joe and the two Poe accounts, Larry and Magdalene. Consequently there are some rumours that this was a malicious or vindictive attempt to sink Joe’s marriage circulating among people who didn’t follow the whole thing closely, or that myself and Jeany deliberately forced Joe into a compromising position. Here’s what actually happened:

99% of people who followed the @LarryLovesJesus Poe account, from day one, realised within 4 or 5 tweets that something wasn’t right and played along with it anyway. Larry had a wife, Madeleine, a Stepford wife in the mould of Sarah Palin, who would tweet Joe now and then saying how worried she was that Larry had been reading Richard Dawkins books and had stopped going to church, because he didn’t want to associate with people who watch Fox News and question, on spurious grounds, the scientific facts of everything from Darwinian evolution by natural selection to the evidence of man-made climate change.

The plan all along would be that Magdalene would, at first worry about her husband’s recent change of mind, but eventually concede he might be onto something. Joe’s reaction to this and her admitting she too was now having second thoughts, would be it’s own reward. Sure enough, Joe didn’t disappoint.

Meanwhile, Larry is tweeting back and forth with Joe on the facts and nothing but the facts. I purposefully avoided strongly religious arguments with him, because the whole point of the Larry character was that he was already appraised of the Christian dogmas, but was seeking something more substantial by way of scientific evidence. Joe can go toe to toe with other religious people all day long, for all I care, on the question of the trinity and the resurrection. Larry’s interest was in Joe’s claims to have “scientific proof that evolution is a lie” and “Barack Obama is a Muslim”, despite the force with which he asserts this being matched only by his unwillingness to post a single link to any data or research to back-up these and many other phantasmagorically stupid claims.

When it began to dawn on Joe that he wasn’t going to get a theological argument out of Larry, his anger boiled over on more than a few occasions and I was close, at that point, to revealing who controlled the Larry Poe and put him out of his misery. But even after dropping some of the biggest clues imaginable, like posting links to and even, on more than one occasion, Re-Tweeting my own @MovingToMontana tweets with Joe in the recipients list, he still didn’t put two and two together.

Despite maintaining a firm line against the Christian fundamentalists that turned him away from his church, Larry remained, as his username suggests, a lover of Jesus. You could almost hear Joe’s brain implode as Larry would dedicate prayers for all sinners who have turned away from the facts of science towards the occult lies of creationism and the Pharisees Beck and Palin. The more Larry’s internal logic tightened the screw on Joe’s lack of curiosity, the more Joe turned to @Magdalene82 for help—cajoling her into confronting Larry with more of what it was that turned him away from radical Christianity in the first place.

It should also be said, @Magdalene82 (@jeanybeany80) never once suggested anything improper to Joe. It amazed me how quickly people were ready to assume otherwise, as soon as the whole truth of the set-up was revealed. So many female twitterers, who by no means have any respect for Joe, nevertheless almost immediately accused @jeanybeany80 of springing a honey trap on him—luring him into a false sense of security with flirtation and sexual advances. I don’t normally get involved in cat fights, but let me be clear, @jeanybeany80 did nothing of the sort. She was playing the role of a stereotypical Christian housewife, not a hussy trying to wreck marriages. If she’d come on too strong, in the way people are assuming she must have, Joe would never have fallen for it for as long as he did—and boy did he fall for it.

We did toy with the idea of having Magdalene run away with a African American climate change activist, running for election on a strongly pro-homosexual, abortion on-demand ticket, but we plumped for a slightly more believable segue, when we decided to relieve Joe of his misery and work out for himself what was happening. @Magdalene82 asked him a perfectly innocuous question on how she looked in a dress she intended to wear out that night. Joe’s reply speaks for itself:

Bearing in mind that Joe’s nickname of #peachboy is borne of the time not so long ago when he tried to slime his way into the affections of @jeanybeany80, and that he promised at the time he’d learned his lesson of not preaching one thing and practising another, you’d assume this second fall from grace would be met by Joe head on and even he would have to admit to what we’ve all known about him from the start; that he’s just another liar for Jesus trying to cash in on the anti-science mythology at the heart of the Tea Party illusion—just another chancer panning for gold in Benny Hinn’s leftovers.

But no. Joe immediately demanded Larry accept his apology and forgive him for pointing out what should be obvious to anyone who is, you guessed it, “a real Christian”. That’s right folks, only in Joe land are you the one who owes him an apology when he accidentally posts into the public timeline something he was only supposed to post as a private message. “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife”, Larry reminded him. “You should treat your lady better”, Joe insists—in that “it’s OK for me to completely ignore what it says in the bible, so long as you know when you do it you’re going to hell” sort of mealy mouthed, ignorant fuck type way, we all know him for only too well.

Twitter’s response to the reveal was a mix of hilarity and disgust that we should need to discredit him by deception, rather than by merely repeating what he himself actually says and does; that we had goaded him into flirting with Jeany. This is just not true.

Joe wakes up in the morning and, almost without fail, posts a tweet proclaiming another red letter day in his on-going “war on #atheism”. Not, a minor skirmish with the under 7’s balloon folding class, a war. If what he was actually looking for was something more gentle, he could have easily found people willing to engage him on that level on any one of a million different platforms. Instead, he chose to label an entire group of people, on the internet’s largest social networking site, “failed”, “ignorant”, “stupid” and “lachrymose”—all the while claiming to have nothing less than scientific evidence and the creator of the universe on his side.

It is no-one’s fault, other than Joe’s, that neither of these materialised. He was, don’t forget, the only one promising this kind of evidence, while repeatedly refusing to deliver on his own guarantee. Tired of watching him fail, I did my best to wake him up. If I failed, my heart bleeds. If I succeeded in giving him just one fleeting moment of clarity; one momentary glimpse as to how hundreds of people around the world view him personally, and millions more view the brand of naive literalism he has chosen to worship as if it were a god, it was worth it.

My video reviews of his book will resume at some point, because it’s just too hilarious not to see it through to the end. But, for now, it’s for other twitter users to argue with Joe on a day to day basis. You have my deepest sympathy and earnest best wishes.


Atheism is a religion by Joe Cienkowski: A Video Review. Part 6

With special guest star @phonicsey a.k.a. our Lucy off of we take one more journey down insanity lane with the self-styled debunker of the sciences and defender of the indefensible, Joker Joe Cienkowski, PhD, MD, USB.

In this fun packed instalment, Lucy discovers that not believing in something means you believe in everything, Jim learns the true meaning of life and we all learn something new about the Dali of denialism, Ken Ham—the inspiration behind Joker Joe’s discovery of real science, when he was staring at the wrong end of a prison stretch for knocking out reefer and selling stolen goods, coincidentally around about the same time he found Jesus.

Watch parts 1 to 5 here

EDIT: Massive thanks to @AtheistRE @jeanybeany80 @Nickdrumr2 @mindymayhem and @AssassinGrl for their help in the making of this clip, but I forgot to edit in on-screen captions with their twitter names. I’m really sorry guys, I’ll remember next time, I promise. If YOU would like to appear in a future video send me a clip of yourself saying “Joe, you’re wrong” to and I’ll do my best to be more organised about the whole thing next time.

Go with throttle up

I have had enough of joker Joe. Today I ban / reported him using tweetdeck’s blocking tools. Please consider doing the same.

He has had 40 days and 40 nights to present ONE link to positive evidence in support of Intelligent Design and he has failed to do so. He has repeatedly asserted lies about people and refused to read the evidence that proves him wrong.

We bought his “book” and it too fails to address ANY of the actual issues AT ALL.

He has now turned his “attention” to physics by asserting light can travel faster than light. He doesn’t know that’s what he has said because he can’t read or think, but I’ve got too much shit going on in my personal life to deal with him any more and keep a calm head about it. It’s time to just pull his plug.

The straw that broke the camel’s back was a tweet in which he said, and I quote, “[I saw a] tape by Ken Ham ‘Genesis solution. He said “evolution is religion. I repeat, evolution is religion” a light went OFF in my head” •

I will continue to do the occasional video blog, because I’ve discovered I quite enjoy doing them. But future clips won’t be focused exclusively on peach boy, although I will dip into his “book” now and then when the subject of perfect idiocy comes up.

Thanks for all your support guys! I’ve met some great people, Christian and otherwise thanks to Joe, but it’s time to move on. He’s a barefaced liar; a self-deluded, brainwashed little prick who misses prison cock so much he’s trying to get sent back for tax evasion, so he can be even more like Kent Hovind than he already is. End of debate.


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June 7th is stop following Joe Cienkowski day

One of the many tirades the twitter liar for Jesus Joe Cienkowski (@JoeCienkowski) is always going off on, surrounds a video clip of Richard Dawkins being set-up by a creationist propaganda film-crew, in which he explains that if any sort of ‘Intelligent Design’ had any chance of credibility, it would be Directed Panspermia.

Joe took this to mean that Dawkins had been unmasked as a secret creationist. I know.

At first it was just another one of the many odd things Peach Boy comes out with and people basically ignored it—but then he began spamming it as every other tweet and wouldn’t let go of it despite several attempts by several people to point him towards a clip of Dawkins explaining he was set-up and that he’s doesn’t give any credence to Directed Panspermia or Intelligent Design of any kind.

So by way of an update as to what form my review of Joe’s book will take, once it eventually arrives, I made the video below, today, in the hope Joe would take the opportunity to admit he had made a mistake. His response was as follows:

dont need to see anything other than end of Expelled. Dawkins freely offered what on his mind In context.Clear & concise

June 7th is stop following Joe Cienkowski day. That is three days from now. The only reason he has (as I write) 256 twitter followers is because half of them are waiting to see what nonsense will come out of his mouth next and the other half so they can see his replies to their other followers (since twitter doesn’t let you see @replies unless you’re following both people).

If we can half his followers in three days, we can zero his followers in a week—or at least put them back to the 20 or 30 level he was at when he first started trying to sell his book and push his idiotic pseudo-Christian shite on people who told him time and again why he is wrong.

Anyway, enjoy the video and please don’t forget: June 7th is stop following Joe Cienkowski day. Cheers!

EDIT: Just to re-cap, we’re not “picking on” Joe any more than he deserves it. He is a puke charlatan liar who only wants to self-promote and cheat honest people out of money for his “science” book.

Not all Christians are lunatics: Joe Cienkowski wants to squirt juice on your hot ass

EDIT 11th Nov 2010: Since this article was first published, Heidi has revealed her true colours. It’s very sad, but I’m leaving the article up for purposes of clarity. Please read here after you’re done:

It’s easy to forget, sometimes, that the radical lunatics we spend so much time trying to publicly shame only represent a tiny percentage of the wider Christian community. That’s why I should probably apologies for not spending a little more time now and then telling you all about some of the non-crazy Christians out there, who take an interest in science and rationalism and do understand many of the cogent arguments put forward.

Heidi, twitter name @heidiraff, first came to my attention when she agreed to take part in a podcast with myself and two other non-theists. She immediately impressed me with her attempts to remind her fellow Christians on the panel of what Jesus is actually said to have taught, as opposed to their sometimes rather selective interpretation of the New Testament—and how, to them, it somehow justifies teaching people things that aren’t true. She did this in a non-confrontational way and also managed to remain respectful of the opinions expressed on my side of the debate, even though we strongly disagree in some key areas.

The podcast was hosted by Juanita Berguson (@JuanitaBerguson) a self-confessed ‘Kingdom Capitalist’ who sells a particularly weird blend of Jesus and anti-science, ‘New Age’ spirituality.

Heidi was as disgusted at the way myself and the other atheists on the panel were treated by Juanita and her business partners at the time. Readers will recall, when myself and @antitheistangie took objection to Juanita silencing our microphones before we’d been allowed to answer some serious allegations of “struggling with the format”, Juanita’s puppy dog Paul Collier decided to leave some rather choice comments on her behalf.

So when Heidi was again invited to take part in another of Juanita’s podcasts she did so with some reticence. What happened next was both sad and also rather predictable. Heidi writes:

Last Sunday, I get this message from Juanita. She tells me that she has this wonderful Christian scientist. He’s going to be on the show and she’ll let him give a talk and then allow atheists to ask him questions. I thought, wow, pretty cool. I’m thinking it’s gotta be someone with the genome community … but stupidly, I did not ask about his credentials. I just assumed that Juanita had a good person, especially because she said this guy was a very good friend of hers. It never crossed my mind that he’d be crazy.

So then … I go on Twitter for about 2-3 hours, and I’m hyping it like crazy. I probably hit up about 20 different atheists I know, and I’m telling everyone that this scientist is going to be on and it’s going to be a really great show, etc.

Then … the guy started talking. My stomach literally dropped and I got so dizzy. I have all these atheists pinging me on Twitter and sending me DMs saying, “What the heck, Heidi? Why would you promote this guy?”

And I’m totally mortified, so I explain that I didn’t know. To demonstrate that I meant business, I hung up my line and then sent out messages on the atheist hashtag, saying I was sorry that I had wasted everyone’s time and that I didn’t know that the “scientist” was going to be like that.

As if that wasn’t bad enough Juanita then started to private message Heidi, accusing her of “bashing her guest” and “supporting the atheist cause”. That’s right folks, as soon as you call someone out for talking nonsense, unless you fall in-line and say nothing, you’re on “their side”.

Now as if it wasn’t wonderful enough that, as you can see from her own blog, Heidi really is very much into Jesus and not at all on anyone’s “side”, her distain for charlatans who speak on her behalf doesn’t simply stop there.

Regular readers are familiar with my on-going campaign to publicly ridicule Joe Cienkowski—a twitter evangelical who spouts spurious nonsense about how, in his book (there’s your first clue) he can “prove evolution is a lie and the religion of atheism”. See the last week’s previous blog entries for more background.

Now, I have to say up-front, although it didn’t directly involve Heidi, I am proud to say I first found out about Joe’s latest exploits directly from her. So sickened was she, that Joe presumed to preach on behalf of Christianity that the only way to show the strength of your faith, is to encourage others to believe in things that aren’t true, that she blogged a great example of the difference between people who are genuine in their religious conviction and people who try to exploit it, after the screen-grab opposite began to circulate twitter last evening:

Originally posted by @jeanybeany80, the only thing more amusing than seeing the self-same physical evidence Joe repeatedly asserts as invalid in his Jihad against rationalism, logic, free inquiry and intellectual honesty, is that his dual identity as both a paragon of virtue and a sleazy letch was apparent to anyone from the first moment they first encountered him. That inner dialogue between intuition and reason, which the Joe Cienkowski’s of this world insist is unattainable to those of us with no illusions about ‘spirituality’ or ‘supreme moral authority’ told all of us, Christian and atheist, that there was something not quite right about @JoeCienkowski from the moment he appeared. And what do you know, we were right.

Now, how does this affect my reviewing his book, when it arrives? It doesn’t. The planned video series will go ahead—and I just wanted to close by addressing some of the concerns of those of you who are saying that feeding the troll is just giving him what he wants.

I agree that, under normal circumstances, this is good advice. However, if Joe was pushing a book about how he can “prove with scientific evidence” that black people are intellectually inferior to white people, or that—as it is decreed in 1st Timothy, that women should be subservient to men and learn in silence, society would shun and discredit him with the sort of deafening silence some people are advocating.

But if we continue to afford religious lunatics some kind of wild card right, to assert equally nonsensical things about the teaching of science as a large group of people in society once did about race and sex, then we’re not silencing them at all—we’re allowing them to continue unchallenged.

So, I will still be asking those of you interested in following the video series (when the book itself actually arrives) to donate to UNICEF to off-set the cost of the book itself ten times over and I will still be twittering and blogging, reddit’ing and YouTubing as much attention in the general direction of @JoeCienkowski as I possibly can, because I genuinely believe the only way we’re going to win against these people is in the broad daylight of reason and truth and with a little help from our non-crazy Christian friends.

An open challenge to Joe Cienkowski

I have just promised something to Joe that I want you all to witness. For background on what this means, see here and here.

If Joe can provide us with a summary of the findings in his book that he claims proves evolution by means of natural selection is a false science, which we can debate and critique according to the scientific standards of peer review, and make a cogent point that we can all agree brings something new to the table, I’ll give him a banner-ad in pride of place that links directly to the store that sells his book.

EDIT: I have also posted a request for comments on

Joe Cienkowski is a young-Earth creationist. He insists that, in his book, he has proven Darwinian evolution by means of natural selection is a false science.

Myself and many other people on twitter have, for the past week, given him a simple challenge: To make an executive summary of his findings available for peer review.

If he can debate on some cogent points, which genuinely bring a new angle to this issue, I have promised him a pride of place banner-ad on my blog, which receives hundreds of hits-per-week, direct linked to the store on his blog which sells his books.

In the interest of impartiality I would like to invite as many people as possible to observe and comment on the debate—which once he has had time to make his case and respond to rebuttal arguments from other readers—it will be put to a simple vote; ‘Has Joe Cienkowski proven Darwinian evolution by means of natural selection is a false science or not?’

EDIT 2: I’ve also posted the above on Joe’s Blog, where it is pending approval and I’ve posted it on various Christian debate forums. If we can get as many people as possible to independently critique Joe’s work no-one gets to say we skewed things against him or in favour of one side over the other.

EDIT 3: Last night, via twitter, I promised Joe that if he provided an appraisal of the evidence he claims to have gathered for his book, that proves evolution is a false science, I would make a YouTube clip of myself holding his book aloft, instructing the world to go and buy it. I also promised I would help him contact Glenn Beck to promote his book. I also promised him I would fall to my knees and accept Jesus Christ as my personal saviour if he presented the evidence he claimed to be in possession of almost 6 days ago now, which shows that “evolution is the religion of atheism”. In a series of exchanges, Joe refused. All he has to do, to save my soul from eternal torture in the fires of hell, is cut and paste the section of his book which answers his critics once and for all. I hope when I write ‘EDIT 4’ below, he will have finally decided to do this.